As for ubuntu switching to uutils? Meh, I'm ambivalent, but
that's largely because I think that Canonical is run by a loon.
why is he a loon? not defending, just don't know much about him and intrigued now
ought organizations hiring for a job could contactthe
university you attended and asked for verification ofyour degree
for my government job I think I did upload my transcript to my application.
As for ubuntu switching to uutils? Meh, I'm ambivalent, but
that's largely because I think that Canonical is run by a loon.
tenser wrote to rootroot <=-
He wants to see things like high school transcripts if you
go to work for Canonical, regardless of what you've done in
industry or how long you've been out of, you know, high
school.
I had a government job ask for a copy of my college diploma. From 1985. 31 years later, with a full resume and references. I thought that was kooky, then realized it was government.
tenser wrote to rootroot <=-
He wants to see things like high school transcripts if you
go to work for Canonical, regardless of what you've done in
industry or how long you've been out of, you know, high
school.
I had a government job ask for a copy of my college diploma. From 1985.
31 years later, with a full resume and references. I thought that was
kooky, then realized it was government.
The fact that I had to sign 40 documents, provide fingerprints and have
a background check should have been my first clue I was going down a
process hellhole.
Two weeks after I left, they realized that they underpaid me by a day
or so of wages. Instead of just cutting a check for the difference,
they clawed back the paycheck out of my account and issued a new check.
In a week.
Re: Re: macOS 26
By: poindexter FORTRAN to tenser on Fri Dec 19 2025 07:38 am
I had a government job ask for a copy of my college diploma. From 198 years later, with a full resume and references. I thought that was ko then realized it was government.
I always thought organizations hiring for a job could contact the
college or university you attended and asked for verification of your degree. I've never been asked to provide a copy of my college diploma. And for a while, I had even forgotten where I had stored mine because
I'd never really needed it for anything.
On 01 Nov 2025 at 05:43a, apam pondered and said...
And so much of this complexity and newness just seems to me to be new the sake of being new. Ubuntu using rust coreutils for example ... wh The existing core utils have been worked on for many years and work w but rust is the new shiny and we have to port to that to be safe - so there's now a bunch of issues with compatibility with new core utils, which will be worked out eventually, but for what?
I can speak to this a little bit. Two reasons that I see
initially include a) code quality and maintainability issues
with GNU coreutils, and b) the GNU license. uutils is much
better code generally (unit tests!!), and certainly easier to
maintain, the project uses modern development practices with
respect to review, CI, and so on. And the MIT license makes
it much easier to integrate with other projects.
The issue with compatibility is real, but I would argue that
in some ways this is good: there are already alternative user
space implementations of the POSIX and Unix utilities (the
BSDs, System V, various commercial Unixes that still exist,
and so on). Having diversity in this area forces downstream
projects to be a bit cleaner and more disciplined.
As for ubuntu switching to uutils? Meh, I'm ambivalent, but
that's largely because I think that Canonical is run by a loon.
I think in some part, the move to Rust is due to zealots who want to control software, or at least, have some more social control. I don't trust evangelists, and that is with good reason. Perhaps it is also in part to undermine software freedom?
I can speak to this a little bit. Two reasons that I see
initially include a) code quality and maintainability issues
with GNU coreutils, and b) the GNU license. uutils is much
better code generally (unit tests!!), and certainly easier to maintain, the project uses modern development practices with
respect to review, CI, and so on. And the MIT license makes
it much easier to integrate with other projects.
The issue with compatibility is real, but I would argue that
in some ways this is good: there are already alternative user
space implementations of the POSIX and Unix utilities (the
BSDs, System V, various commercial Unixes that still exist,
and so on). Having diversity in this area forces downstream
projects to be a bit cleaner and more disciplined.
As for ubuntu switching to uutils? Meh, I'm ambivalent, but
that's largely because I think that Canonical is run by a loon.
I think in some part, the move to Rust is due to zealots who want to control software, or at least, have some more social control. I don't trust evangelists, and that is with good reason. Perhaps it is also in part to undermine software freedom?
The only reason I've heard of people moving to Rust is that it has been designed to help prevent some common programming pitfals that lead to
bugs in software (such as more protection against memory leaks, etc.).
It seems reasonable to me.. Even the best & most careful programmers
with C & C++ can make mistakes sometimes that lead to software bugs.
Rust is, frankly, a better language than either C or C++, but with good reason: it had 35 years of C and 30 years of C++ history to learn from when it was designed. Plus it could also draw on lessons learned from research in the wider PL community over those decades. But it's easy to do better when you've got so much data you can learn from.
These conspiracy-theories about control, evangelism, attacks on software freedom, etc, are just uninformed nonsense.
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