I miss the days of Audacious Hardware Design. Give me a MIPS-powered
Silicon Graphics box in some fever-dream color, Pee-Wee's
playhouse-derived case design, and a kick-ass keyboard. Or a Sun Sparc.
Or one of those industrial design looking IBM RS/6000s.
tenser wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I miss the days of Audacious Hardware Design. Give me a MIPS-powered
Silicon Graphics box in some fever-dream color, Pee-Wee's
playhouse-derived case design, and a kick-ass keyboard. Or a Sun Sparc.
Or one of those industrial design looking IBM RS/6000s.
No love for DEC? Their later Alpha boxes looked pretty slick.
In 2000, I ran a company off of a Sun Enterprise 250 - Purple, gray,
big vents, a big door with a key... we replaced it with a bunch of
white boxes running Linux. :(
hyjinx wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Now it's a sea of beige, and a sea of beige operating systems.
When computers started to become more about tools rather than objects of fun and tinkering. That's probably when I lost interest in the hardware.
tenser wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
No love for DEC? Their later Alpha boxes looked pretty slick.
A friend of mine couldn't bear to see a DEC Alpha being tossed out at work, so he brought it home. It ran NT 3.51 and IIS for way longer than
it should have - but it would not die.
Now it's a sea of beige, and a sea of beige operating systems. Even
Linux has ceded ownership largely to a few big corps when it comes down
to it, excluding the kernel, for the most part anyway. But even that has parts coded by IBM, Microsoft, Google and others. Nothing is free any more. No more cathedral and the bazaar.
Why not upstream all of that? A great question, with a few different answers. One is that some of it couldn't; some stuff had been done
in collaboration with a vendor, under NDA, and Google was legally
barred from sending that code upstream. Some was because, even
though there was no significant intellectual property concerns, code
might be so Google-specific that it didn't make sense to send upstream; much of that is historical baggage, but getting rid of it takes time.
But probably the biggest reason was that it wasn't economically viable
for a lot of stuff. Google might make a change that was a win, but
for a specific, constrained use-case. It may be cool to upstream, but when it's sent someone looks at it and says, "yeah, this is neat, but
it only works for n=1; you should generalize it for any n." Except
that doing that generalization might be 10x the work of the current
patch: the engineer can't justify the investment because it provides
no additional value to Google, so it's easier to just float the patch.
Of course, over time, that decision is more expensive than doing the
work and getting the thing upstreamed, but we're talking about a 5-10
year timeline here.
This is a really interesting insight. I bet more people would like to
know the inner workings of contribution in the corporate fed open source world. If you'd ever consider wrapping this convo into dialogue that
you'd be willing to share to a wider audience, I'd love to interview you for the YouTube channel. Let me know if you're interested.
Heh, I don't know if you really want to interview me; I'm pretty
boring. But I'd be happy to chat with you some time if you'd like
to explore further.
Heh, I don't know if you really want to interview me; I'm pretty boring. But I'd be happy to chat with you some time if you'd like
to explore further.
Hehe, I disagree. You are definitley not boring. At least to the right target audience ;P
Seriously though, you seem to have a wealth of knowledge and experience and it's an absolute privilege to be able to get your insights into things.
I'd definitly watch an interview with you.
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