Re: Smoking
By: kk4qbn to Tiny on Sun Jun 09 2024 11:18 am

Re: Smoking
By: Tiny to DUMAS WALKER on Sun Jun 09 2024 06:41:00

Quoting Dumas Walker to Nightfox <=-

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be makin
comeback.

We can get rid of more stupid people. I say advertise it, promote it l them all smoke everywhere again. Who cares!?!? Where did I put my HEALTHY low tar darts?

Suprising enough, My health problems did'nt start until I stopped smoking, a other lifestyle changes to try to benefit my health. It was a real shock to body I guess.. took about 3-4 years to get my blood pressure and heart-rate stable.

I never tried smoking. I watched peers in my younger days smoking and thought they looked cool but I just never tried it. When you quit smoking your body revolted is that what you are saying. Did you ever relapse and go back to smoking? Or did you never look back? How are you doing today?

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Re: Smoking
By: Gary Gordon to kk4qbn on Sat Jul 26 2025 07:06 pm

I never tried smoking. I watched peers in my younger days smoking and thought they looked cool but I just never tried it.

I never thought it looked really cool. Just a little silly with something hanging out of someone's mouth with ashes falling off it..

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Re: Smoking
By: Gary Gordon to kk4qbn on Sat Jul 26 2025 07:06 pm

Quoting Dumas Walker to Nightfox <=-

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be
makin comeback.

We can get rid of more stupid people. I say advertise it, promote it
l them all smoke everywhere again. Who cares!?!? Where did I put my
HEALTHY low tar darts?

Suprising enough, My health problems did'nt start until I stopped smoking,
a other lifestyle changes to try to benefit my health. It was a real shock
to body I guess.. took about 3-4 years to get my blood pressure and
heart-rate stable.

I was going to reply to this message that you were quoting, but oddly, I don't have this thread at all in my Dove-Net General messagebase (despite the previous quote from Dumas Walker to me about smoking making a comeback).. Is this an old thread, perhaps?

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Gary Gordon wrote to kk4qbn <=-

I never tried smoking. I watched peers in my younger days smoking and thought they looked cool but I just never tried it.

Road trips in the '70s with two parents who smoked turned me off. They
claimed they'd open the window a crack and all of the smoke would be
sucked out. Didn't work as planned.

Later on, my father contracted emphysema, and that helped turn my kids
off of smoking.

They see smoking as harmful, but apparently vaping is just stupid.




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I was going to reply to this message that you were quoting, but oddly, I don't
have this thread at all in my Dove-Net General messagebase (despite the previous quote from Dumas Walker to me about smoking making a comeback).. Is this an old thread, perhaps?

June, 2024, per his original post.


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Re: Smoking
By: Nightfox to Gary Gordon on Sat Jul 26 2025 05:35 pm

I never thought it looked really cool. Just a little silly with something hanging out of someone's mouth with ashes falling off it..

Nightfox

Myself, I found it very obvious it was kids trying too hard to pose as cool people. Back in the day nearly every kid smoked at high-school. And they also got blind drunk.

Pathetic.


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Re: Smoking
By: Nightfox to Gary Gordon on Sat Jul 26 2025 05:38 pm

Re: Smoking
By: Gary Gordon to kk4qbn on Sat Jul 26 2025 07:06 pm

Quoting Dumas Walker to Nightfox <=-

It surprises me even more now that cigarette smoking seems to be
makin comeback.

We can get rid of more stupid people. I say advertise it, promote
l them all smoke everywhere again. Who cares!?!? Where did I put
HEALTHY low tar darts?

Suprising enough, My health problems did'nt start until I stopped smokin
a other lifestyle changes to try to benefit my health. It was a real sho
to body I guess.. took about 3-4 years to get my blood pressure and
heart-rate stable.

I was going to reply to this message that you were quoting, but oddly, I don have this thread at all in my Dove-Net General messagebase (despite the previous quote from Dumas Walker to me about smoking making a comeback).. I this an old thread, perhaps?

Nightfox

I guess? It was on Dove-net.

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I never tried smoking. I watched peers in my younger days smoking and thought they looked cool but I just never tried it.

Road trips in the '70s with two parents who smoked turned me off.
They claimed they'd open the window a crack and all of the smoke would
be sucked out. Didn't work as planned.

Later on, my father contracted emphysema, and that helped turn my
kids off of smoking.

They see smoking as harmful, but apparently vaping is just stupid.

People tend to think of 'vaping' as safe, but it's not safe.
'E-liquid' or 'e-juice' or 'vape juice' is what the devices use to
vaporize for you to breathe in. E-liquids are not just water, they
contain some nasty chemicals.

They contain flavoring, nicotine, propylene glycol and glycerin.
Some also include chemicals that cause cancer such as acrolein,
diactyl and ethylene glycol. Some have THC derivatives, vitamin E
acetate, heavy metals (tin, lead, nickel and cadmium).

These are all tiny particles that can get deep into your lungs.

I'm no one to talk, as I smoked cigarettes until I was 27 years
old, but the stuff in these vaping devices sounds pretty nasty to
me. (I'm not a chemistry expert)

Makes me wonder how it will affect the younger peoples health in
the future. But c'est la vie. People will do what they will do.

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed Jul 30 2025 03:57 pm

People tend to think of 'vaping' as safe, but it's not safe.
'E-liquid' or 'e-juice' or 'vape juice' is what the devices use to
vaporize for you to breathe in. E-liquids are not just water, they
contain some nasty chemicals.

you get the popcorn lung!
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Re: Smoking
By: Nightfox to Gary Gordon on Sat Jul 26 2025 05:35 pm

I never thought it looked really cool. Just a little silly with something hanging out of someone's mouth with ashes falling off it..

And the eye squinting from the smoke that gets in your eyes, I quit smoking when I was 22.
Never had the desire to start back up.
When I quit a pack of cigarettes cost me 0.58 cents at the store and 0.65 at the vending machines.



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People tend to think of 'vaping' as safe, but it's not safe.
'E-liquid' or 'e-juice' or 'vape juice' is what the devices use to
vaporize for you to breathe in. E-liquids are not just water, they
contain some nasty chemicals.

The chief ingredient is propylene glycol and/or vegetable glycol. These are ingredients used in countless food, medicine, cosmetic, and other products. Been to a live show? Theatrical fog is the same stuff, just un-scented, and obviously does not contain nicotine.

It's true that a lack of regulation means potentially bad stuff in the flavouring compounds (see below), but if you buy from reputable juice manufacturers who are open about their ingredients, and/or operate in a jurisdiction that regulates the industry, you are far far far better off than inhaling combustion products.

you get the popcorn lung!

Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds. It is not associated with vaping itself. In countries that regulate vape juice (like the UK), diacetyl is a banned ingredient.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to MRO on Mon Aug 04 2025 12:21 am

(hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds. It
is not associated with vaping itself. In countries that regulate
vape juice (like the UK), diacetyl is a banned ingredient.

Hope this helps.

dont care, i don't vape.

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

i dont think vaping is safe, i dont think putting anything into your lungs
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dont care, i don't vape.

Cool? Others following this public discussion may, however. It's not all about you. :)

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

"Things that don't matter" for 1000 points, Alex.

i dont think vaping is safe, i dont think putting anything into your lungs is safe.

It's your prerogative to think that, but at least now you and other readers can carry their opinions based on more accurate information. You're welcome!

Have a great day! :)

Cheers,
RetroSwim

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Quoting Retroswim to Mro <=-

People tend to think of 'vaping' as safe, but it's not safe.
'E-liquid' or 'e-juice' or 'vape juice' is what the devices use to
vaporize for you to breathe in. E-liquids are not just water, they
contain some nasty chemicals.

The chief ingredient is propylene glycol and/or vegetable glycol.
These are ingredients used in countless food, medicine, cosmetic, and other products. Been to a live show? Theatrical fog is the same stuff, just un-scented, and obviously does not contain nicotine.
It's true that a lack of regulation means potentially bad stuff in the flavouring compounds (see below), but if you buy from reputable juice manufacturers who are open about their ingredients, and/or operate in
a jurisdiction that regulates the industry, you are far far far better
off than inhaling combustion products.

you get the popcorn lung!

Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds. It is
not associated with vaping itself. In countries that regulate vape
juice (like the UK), diacetyl is a banned ingredient.
Hope this helps.

It's strange what people do to justify smoking or 'vaping'. As I
stated in the message originally, I'm no one to talk as I smoked
cigarettes until I was 27 years old. I knew it was bad at the time
I was doing it and could find countless ways to justify it. Also
the government did regulate cigarettes at the time, so yeah that
didn't actually do anything to mitigate the problems.

Smoking cigarettes is bad for your lungs. Vaping is bad for your
lungs, and of course placing your mouth over the exhaust pipe of a
running combustion engine is bad for your lungs.

Going to a show where they use 'fog' is something I may have done
once or twice, but not every hour of my waking life.

Just saying...


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Quoting Retroswim to Mro <=-

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

"Things that don't matter" for 1000 points, Alex.

Wow. Great answer!

i dont think vaping is safe, i dont think putting anything into your lungs is safe.

It's your prerogative to think that, but at least now you and other readers can carry their opinions based on more accurate information. You're welcome!

As I said, it's amazing what people will do to justify their
behavior. It's obvious that you are a user. Your 'more accurate
information' is biased and based upon your opinion. But hey that's
OK. We all have opinions, It's your prerogiative to have one.

Thanks!

Hoping you have a wonderful day!




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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to MRO on Mon Aug 04 2025 02:52 pm

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

"Things that don't matter" for 1000 points, Alex.

If you're quoting what someone wrote, it's good to address your reply to the person you're quoting.

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Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds.

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?


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It's strange what people do to justify smoking or 'vaping'. As I
stated in the message originally, I'm no one to talk as I smoked
cigarettes until I was 27 years old. I knew it was bad at the time I
was doing it and could find countless ways to justify it. Also the government did regulate cigarettes at the time, so yeah that didn't actually do anything to mitigate the problems.

It isnt about justifying it.IMO, people do what they want, you and I included. Neither of us ought to have to justify what we do to our own bodies.

The issue is that half-truths and misinformation affect discourse and policy. I just felt like putting the information out there.

As for regulation, the two are difficult to compare. The carcinogenic inhalants from.tobacco burning are not added, they are created by virtue of, well, burning. The process of vaporising these liquids only mobilises the liquid as a vapor, there is no chemical reaction taking place.

And you're right in saying that directly inhaling the vapor from a device is quantitatively different to being around theatrical fog, however one would expect that occupational exposure to the stuff (say, actors and stage hands) would have exposed any issues by now.

Not a conclusive observation by any means, but a.more useful one than a bare assertion like "I believe X is bad." We can investigate to prove/disprove the former.

Cheers,
RetroSwim

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If you're quoting what someone wrote, it's good to address your reply to the person you're quoting.

Granted. I did feel that the entire thought needed the two quotes for completeness, but I should have inclided something to more clearly attribute the two parts.

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Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

lol! Nah, it's inhaling the dust that's the issue. It's a food grade ingredient.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to MRO on Mon Aug 04 2025 02:52 pm

Cool? Others following this public discussion may, however. It's not
all about you. :)

if it's not me you could reply to all.

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

"Things that don't matter" for 1000 points, Alex.

learn to quote.

i dont think vaping is safe, i dont think putting anything into your lungs is safe.

It's your prerogative to think that, but at least now you and other
readers can carry their opinions based on more accurate information.

pretty sure i'm right

You're welcome!

no thank you.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Cougar428 to RETROSWIM on Mon Aug 04 2025 07:47 am

actually do anything to mitigate the problems.

Smoking cigarettes is bad for your lungs. Vaping is bad for your
lungs, and of course placing your mouth over the exhaust pipe of a
running combustion engine is bad for your lungs.

everyone knows that vaping is bad for your lungs.
they just dont want to admit it.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Cougar428 to RETROSWIM on Mon Aug 04 2025 07:47 am

you quoted what someone else said except when i said popcorn lung.

"Things that don't matter" for 1000 points, Alex.

Wow. Great answer!

not really, he replied to me using someone else's quotes.
he should have replied to that person.

behavior. It's obvious that you are a user. Your 'more accurate
information' is biased and based upon your opinion. But hey that's
OK. We all have opinions, It's your prerogiative to have one.

they should just own up to it and admit it.
i've heard users make up all kinds of stories. one guy said
smoking weed cleans your lungs. and it kills cancer!
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Dumas Walker to RETROSWIM on Mon Aug 04 2025 09:46 am

Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn
flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds.

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

it causes popcorn stomach.

well well well. internet tells me that other chemicals in vapes
cause damaged airways as well.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to Cougar428 on Tue Aug 05 2025 07:09 am

Not a conclusive observation by any means, but a.more useful one than
a bare assertion like "I believe X is bad." We can investigate
to prove/disprove the former.

american lung association sez:

"Even though we know that diacetyl causes popcorn lung, this chemical is
found in many e-cigarette flavors. It is added to "e-juice" liquid by some e-cigarette companies to complement flavorings such as vanilla, maple,
coconut and more. So, while diacetyl was swiftly removed from popcorn
products since it could cause this devastating disease among factory workers, e-cigarette users are directly inhaling this harmful chemical into their lungs. In fact, researchers at Harvard found that 39 of 51 e-cigarette brands contained diacetyl. The study also found two similarly harmful chemicals- pentanedione and acetoin-present in 23 and 46 of the 51 flavors it tested.
And roughly 92 percent of the e-cigarettes had one of the three chemicals present."
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Dumas Walker wrote to RETROSWIM <=-

Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds.

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I stopped
having it put on my popcorn.

First it was butter, then it was "butter flavor", now they call it
"popcorn topping".

Aside: I've noticed more people now buying the large popcorn container
with free refills and taking popcorn home with them after the movie.
I'd think one or two refills while you're at the theater would suffice.



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Popcorn lung is associated with diacetyl, found in popcorn
flavouring (hence the name) and some low-quality vape flavouring compounds.

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

it causes popcorn stomach.

:D

well well well. internet tells me that other chemicals in vapes
cause damaged airways as well.

I am not at all surprised.


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It isnt about justifying it.IMO, people do what they want, you and I included.
Neither of us ought to have to justify what we do to our own bodies.

I agree for the most part. That said, some of the things that people intentionally do to their bodies do ultimately cost us all. I would think
even more so in countries that have socialized medicine.


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Re: Re: Smoking
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 05 2025 08:58 am

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I stopped having it put on my popcorn.

First it was butter, then it was "butter flavor", now they call it "popcorn topping".

I hadn't noticed, but I don't go to the theater very often anymore.. Is that the liquid stuff they put on the popcorn? I've seen butter flavored seasoning salt you can buy in grocery stores, but I'd have thought the liquid was melted butter or margarine or similar..

Aside: I've noticed more people now buying the large popcorn container with free refills and taking popcorn home with them after the movie. I'd think one or two refills while you're at the theater would suffice.

I think people like to have movie theater popcorn at home they can eat later. And at the prices they charge at the theater, I think people also want to feel like they're getting their money's worth.

I think the free refills is sort of funny. I wouldn't want to leave the auditorium during the movie (and miss part of the movie) to get a refill on my popcorn. Maybe if there was an intermission though.

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 05 2025 07:13:32

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

lol! Nah, it's inhaling the dust that's the issue. It's a food grade ingredient.

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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Retroswim to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 05 2025 07:13:32

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

lol! Nah, it's inhaling the dust that's the issue. It's a food grade ingredient.

A friend of mine told me that a friend of his told him that eating popcorn will give you popcorn farts. I can see the comparibility of both now.

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Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I stopped
having it put on my popcorn.

First it was butter, then it was "butter flavor", now they call it
"popcorn topping".

I haven't had theatre popcorn in a *long* time. I suspect the popcorn in question here is the microwave variety but I could be wrong. IIRC, those
also are "butter flavored" rather than "buttered."

I would also prefer the real thing vs. a chemical cocktail.


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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed Aug 06 2025 09:59 am

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I
stopped having it put on my popcorn.

First it was butter, then it was "butter flavor", now they call it "popcorn topping".

I haven't had theatre popcorn in a *long* time. I suspect the
popcorn in question here is the microwave variety but I could be
wrong. IIRC, those also are "butter flavored" rather than
"buttered."

I would also prefer the real thing vs. a chemical cocktail.

I don't think they've been putting real butter on movie theater popcorn the entire time we've been alive, or atleast since before the first time we saw our first movie in the movie theaters. they have always used flavored oil.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 05 2025 08:58 am

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I stopped
having it put on my popcorn.

Probably a good idea. I saw a story once on a guy way back that loved popcorn so much he ate it everyday and ended up with popcorn lung.

I've had very little since then.

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I don't think they've been putting real butter on movie theater popcorn the entire time we've been alive, or atleast since before the first time we saw our first movie in the movie theaters. they have always used flavored oil.

You are likely correct.


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Re: Re: Smoking
By: The Lizard Master to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 06 2025 07:02 am

Re: Re: Smoking
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 05 2025 08:58 am

Does eating the popcorn also cause popcorn lung?!?

I wouldn't know, as soon as they stopped calling it "Butter" I
stopped having it put on my popcorn.

Probably a good idea. I saw a story once on a guy way back that loved popcorn so much he ate it everyday and ended up with popcorn lung.

he ate 2 bags of popcorn a day for 10+ years.
he got 7.2million.

if he liked popcorn that much i'm surprised he didnt just pop his own
popcorn.
it's a lot better like that.
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Re: Re: Smoking
By: Mickey to Retroswim on Tue Aug 05 2025 06:39 pm

give you popcorn farts. I can see the comparibility of both now.

Not sure I've ever had popcorn farts... but I never noticed that cabbage farts were a thing until someone else pointed it out.

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